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  Hello everyone, first post.

  by Frjprice in

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  hello, i just wanted to introduce myself to everyone here - as i will be posting here.. i grew up a jw and pioneered, was a ministerial servant, ect, i was in the organization for 17 years.

  i left and naturally my family did as they were told and cut off all communication with me.

  this left a horrible taste in my mouth for not just jw's, but any religion for that matter.

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  Lloyd Braun

  Mr. Price,

  What you are missing about the Greek expression pater which differentiates it from it's normal meaning is the immediate surrounding CONTEXT of dialogue being presented. He was constantly rebuking Pharisaic Rabbis, yes, because they were giving themselves titles that did not belong to them properly. You are doing the same. That is exactly the point. The parable about gouging out your eye believe it or not was actually taken literal. Otherwise, exactly how do you apply the counsel? I don't listen to it now, because I really don't accept most of your corrupted canon of texts.

  As for paul, his letters and the gospel of john... you remove books from the canon of sctipture, that would mean that there was no canon of scripture to begin with, and if not, who desided what would be included in our bibles today?

  This is where you need to do the most study young man. Study WHO put the Greek MSS together into what you now know as the "New Testament" and then study who put together the canon of the Hebrew as well. You will find out, hopefully that the only thing considered "SCRIPTURE" was the Hebrew writings, Psalms, and Prophets. The protocanon.

  It was not until the council at Bithynia that (the first one) that the book was canonized as you read it today. Basically men picked their favorite texts, as opposed to actually seeing which ones meet up with the Tanakh, and which do not.

  Let's prove a point about the "change" or "replacement theology" that takes place in the contradictory book you currently possess, called the "bible". Let's discuss the Sabbath day.

  First, Do you honor, revere and keep the Sabbath day just as Yeshua and all other believers in YHWH did? If not why not? Just to remind you, the Sabbath is the 7th day of the week, Mr. Price. Please feel free to explain how and why the following verse now means very little to Catholics. Is the 7th day still blessed and hallowed?

  Gen 2:2

  And on the seventh day God finished his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

  Gen 2:3

  And God blessed the seventh day, and hallowed it; because that in it he rested from all his work which God had created and made.
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  What is your favorite Simpsons episode?

  by Lloyd Braun in

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  ok, so we did the seinfeld thread, now how about homer, marge, bart, lisa and maggie?.

  my favorite one has to be the one where bart gets help from homer to read a card at a presentation before mr. burns.. homer: "oooh boy card read good".. .

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  I liked the one where the cops were chasing OJ down the highway in the white Ford Bronco.

  And the one where he tried on the gloves and they were too small was pretty good.

  The ones with him running through the airport for the rent a car company were classics also.

  I don't remember those episdoes, Jaguar, what season are they from? I vaguely remember something happening like that though in real life, a few years back when a real Mr. Simpson, (bless his innocent heart that the jury came through for) was arrested and charged with murder. I also remember the same fine gentleman performing as an excellent actor in the great Naked Gun series films, as Frank Nordberg.
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  What is your favorite Simpsons episode?

  by Lloyd Braun in

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  ok, so we did the seinfeld thread, now how about homer, marge, bart, lisa and maggie?.

  my favorite one has to be the one where bart gets help from homer to read a card at a presentation before mr. burns.. homer: "oooh boy card read good".. .

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  The one where Marge and Lisa go out to get a new door bell and then the Jehovah's Witnesses come to their door. But they don't ring the bell.

  LOL!

  There is also another one where Jehovah's Witnesses are mentioned. It's the episode where Marge is very bored because of the new house that does everything for her, and when Homer comes home, and marge relays how some Jehovah's Witnesses were there and she wouldn't let them leave. She was talking their ear off!

  Matty Lumpkin, who's right now a drunkin pumpkin.
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  Hello everyone, first post.

  by Frjprice in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello, i just wanted to introduce myself to everyone here - as i will be posting here.. i grew up a jw and pioneered, was a ministerial servant, ect, i was in the organization for 17 years.

  i left and naturally my family did as they were told and cut off all communication with me.

  this left a horrible taste in my mouth for not just jw's, but any religion for that matter.

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  Lloyd Braun

  Mr. Price,

  I do not think you gave my questions any real direct answers, you just sort of side stepped a lot of them, which shows you still have those JW qualities lingering around.

  You also missed my point that I did not refer to the typical child father relationship between a paternal man and his son. I am referring to the very express idea that Rabbi Yeshua was implementing which is that we are not to address one in a religious piety with that title of Father. He used a very specific Greek element there, addressing disciples. When a Rabbi in the first century took on disciples, it was common Torah knowledge (from the actual written Torah, not the oral) that only Yahweh is "Father" (pater) to a man. This is why way back when a "man leaves his mother and father".

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  pat?´? pate¯r

  pat-ayr'

  Apparently a primary word; a "father" (literally or figuratively, near or more remote): - father, parent.

  That is what he means. Joseph and others were not high priests. You are missing the general conception and inherent pragmatism here badly. Study more on this. It's pretty simple. You have taken a title upon yourself that really doesn't belong to you, unless you have literal children. If you are claiming to be a person in position of religious authority, you cannot be called "Father" is what Yeshua is relaying clearly. This has nothing to do with humble meek ones who want to "be a father" to someone else. You are however, in a position of headship in a church, therefore it is totally improper to be called "Father" when there is but One in that position according to the synoptic Matthew.

  As far as Paul and his letters go, I do not accept them as actual revelations from God. I pretty much stick with the synoptics alone, as they have not been tainted by the Constantinian influences of Babylonian and other Scythian or Hellenistic view points. Paul is really just a spy for Rome actually. If you notice, he teaches against the practices of eating clean meats and keeping the Sabbath, etc, things that the Hebrew thoughts of Yeshua would want his disicples to plan to do the Sermon on the Mount that Yeshua of Nazareth (a fully human being, not God, and not immortal, just a prophet really) spoke.

  You are obviously buying into the post conciliar creeds which did not exist during the life and ministry of Yeshua. The Gospel of John is also and should be rejected by anyone who has a simple collegiate knowledge of Gnosticism.

  Let me ask you this, can you "cast out a demon" or "raise the dead"? If not, why not? And do you believe in the "Trinity" doctrine, and if so, why? Why have you decided to accept post conciliar creeds?

  Barring a vague answer to that, here's a stickler for you: A contradiction, plainly from the Hebrew Rabbi Yeshua, that contradicts something "Paul" says:

  Mat 5:17

  Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil.Mat 5:18For verily I say unto you,Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished.Mat 5:19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

  But Paul says....

  Eph 2:14

  For he is our peace, who made both one, and brake down the middle wall of partition, Eph 2:15having abolished in the flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; that he might create in himself of the two one new man, so making peace;

  Matt
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  What's Your Favorite Seinfeld Episode?

  by Lloyd Braun in

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  my favorite all time episode is the tennis/j peterman incident where kramer is walking across the tennis court and a racquet goes flying and hits a machine and kramer gets pelleted with tennis balls.

  another really good one is when newman smells kramer basting on the roof and starts seeing him as food.. .

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  Here is a link to my avatar's character, a good amount of it at least from the "Alex" episode where Kramer reopens the Theatre. Quite extraordinary.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMkMRibol_w
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  What is your favorite Simpsons episode?

  by Lloyd Braun in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok, so we did the seinfeld thread, now how about homer, marge, bart, lisa and maggie?.

  my favorite one has to be the one where bart gets help from homer to read a card at a presentation before mr. burns.. homer: "oooh boy card read good".. .

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  Lloyd Braun

  So you no longer have a favorite episode then? You just felt like posting that you have outgrown them?

  Am I crazy, or are you going to be one of the few here that doesn't like the Simpsons?

  Lloyd Braun
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  What is your favorite Simpsons episode?

  by Lloyd Braun in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok, so we did the seinfeld thread, now how about homer, marge, bart, lisa and maggie?.

  my favorite one has to be the one where bart gets help from homer to read a card at a presentation before mr. burns.. homer: "oooh boy card read good".. .

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  Lloyd Braun

  Ok, so we did the Seinfeld thread, now how about Homer, Marge, Bart, Lisa and Maggie?

  My favorite one has to be the one where Bart gets help from Homer to read a card at a presentation before Mr. Burns.

  Homer: "Oooh boy card read good".

  
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  Christmas...pagan? or non-pagan?

  by FreedomFrog in

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  2. beliefs

  i just read a thread where one of the posters was saying christmas is not pagan.

  from my research and what i remember reading up on it, it was taken from the pagans.. let me explain.

  first, i apologize because i researched this about 4 years ago and i don't have all of my research material at hand.

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  Lloyd Braun

  Fact:
  
  Christmas and most holidays (hell, even Groundhog's Day!) are pagan.
  Trees, gift-giving, caroling -- all of pagan origin.
  
  (did you know that the St. Nicholas Santa Claus is modeled after was the patron saint of, among others, pawnbrokers?)
  
  If you celebrate in sincerity, you have not sinned, though. Unless you are an active JW. Then, a pox on you.

  Gift giving is not pagan. Gift giving is humane.

  Trees in themselves are not pagan, nor is a decorated one, unless it is worshiped.

  Loving a human that existed 2000 years ago and celebrating his birth is not pagan either, it is just fulfilling the law of love, "love thy neighbor".

  Eating cranberry sauce on top of a slice of turkey with a side of stuffing is not pagan.

  "Aspects" are questionable at all times and we are not in subjection to another's condemnation for the wonderful love we can express to each other.

  Matt
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  Christmas...pagan? or non-pagan?

  by FreedomFrog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just read a thread where one of the posters was saying christmas is not pagan.

  from my research and what i remember reading up on it, it was taken from the pagans.. let me explain.

  first, i apologize because i researched this about 4 years ago and i don't have all of my research material at hand.

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  Lloyd Braun

  Christmas is the time of year when people either get very greedy or very giving. Just like anything else, it has good and bad associations.

  Matt
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  Thankfully Disfellowshiped Today

  by Lloyd Braun in

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  good morning!.

  last night i got disfellowshiped.

  isn't that wonderful?

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  Lloyd Braun

  You're an EVIL APOSTATE now ....

  ... not that there's anything wrong with that !!!

  Yes indeed! Glad to be one too. Phock an A! (I always wanted to blurt that out to a public forum)... Matt R.